“Feel compelled to share one of my favorite Osho clips.
Tears and goosebumps always manifest when I listen to this clip.
I hope you might employ as much as I do.”
said that there are
no goals in life no purpose
and yet we are all here with
enlightenment as our goal
please speak on this.
if you are here
with enlightenment as your goal
you cannot be here.
physically you may appear to be here
but you cannot be with me
the goal is in the future
i am here and the mind which is goal
is bound to be in the future
we will never meet
i know you are here
to attend something
that’s why you are missing it
i am here to persuade you
to drop the very idea of attaining
enlightenment moksha nirvan god
if you drop this goal oriented mind
and there is none other than goal
oriented mind there is no other mind
if you drop it you are enlightened
enlightenment is not a search
it is a realization it is not a goal
it is the very nature of life itself
as life is it is enlightened
it needs nothing to be added
to be improved life
is perfect it is not moving from
imperfection to perfection it is moving
from perfection to perfection
you are here to attend something
that is functioning as a barrier
drop that barriers
just be here
forget about any purpose life cannot
have any purpose
life is the purpose
how it can have any other purpose
otherwise you will be in an
infinite regress then that
purpose will have another purpose then
that another purpose will have another
life has no purpose
and that’s why it is so beautiful
hindus have called it to Lila a play
it is not even a game
now in the west the world game has
become very very important
hundreds of books have been published
within two three years
with the title game: the master game
the ultimate game the game people play
and so on so forth but there is a
difference between game
and play hindus have called it
play not game because even a game has
something as a purpose a result
to be attained victory to be achieved
the opponent has to be conquered then a
play becomes again
then it becomes serious
grown-ups play games
children only play
just the very activity
is enough unto itself it has the
there is no goal added to it
life is a lila
it is a play and the moment
you are ready to play you are
try to understand from some other
you are already that which you are
trying to be
the more you try the more you will miss
you leave all first
you simply accept yourself you just
be that suddenly it is there
it has always been there but you were
seeking so seriously
that was the only cause of missing it
you are here to attain something
samadhi satori or something
to me all those words are nonsense
because they again give you a new
line of desiring they again open a door
in the world you desire money power
then you get fed up with it
then you see the whole thing is just
even if you get you are defeated if you
you are defeated then you come to feel
that this whole thing is nonsense
now suddenly you start playing new games
enlightenment meditation yoga
god the other world
the other source
again the mind is at ease
a new world of desires has opened
now you will be after these goals
and money is not so elusive as
this world at least
that soul that world the other world is
now you are in a deeper ditch than
with the first you could realize that it
with the second now it will take
millions of life to realize
that this too is useless
when one person comes to discover
that all goals are useless with no
exception all goals are useless
then there is nothing to do one just has
one relaxes and one relaxes so
totally because there is nothing to do
there is no tension
suddenly your boundaries melts
as is no melting in the morning sun
with nothing to do you disappear
the ego disappears with nothing to do
nothing to be nothing to achieve
who you will be the whole identity
evaporates this is enlightenment
then you start a totally different
way of life
you start being playful
you start being alive moment to moment
nowhere to go whatsoever the life keeps
you accepted with deep gratitude
grace happens to you
this is what i’ll call to become a god
the moment you start playing
living in the moment you have become a
i am here to persuade you
that you are already gods
you may be here to become gods
that’s your trip i’m not concerned with
i know what i’m here
for just to persuade you
to look at your own face once again
to search within and not to go without
searching for something which doesn’t
life is a purposeless play
play of infinite forces
beautiful if you don’t have a achiever’s
ugly if you have ambition
to become something to be something to
drop the future completely
only this moment exists
and this moment is eternity
and only this life is all
that is there
don’t think of an other soul just the
other day i was telling the chinese
the man returned from the middle of the
he returned from the middle of the river
because there is no other source
this is the only source
and why he started laughing because he
suddenly realized he himself is the
whom he has been seeking
sin masters teach to their disciples
that meditating if you someday come
kill him immediately
don’t despair a single moment
kill him immediately otherwise he will
lead you astray they are right
while you are meditating krishna comes
with his flute
it’s so beautiful again you are dreaming
again you are caught in a dream and
and jesus comes and you are caught
in the web of the mind it is a spider’s
bell and then buddha comes
and you forget yourself
the same master said kill the buddha
clear the the way don’t allow anybody
else to be there
that is don’t allow any gold to be there
just be total
alone in your absolute purity
this is enlightenment
i should repeat because i know you will
and forget and forget you are already
which you are seeking let this will be
the basic mantra
if you can understand this mantra you
have understood all
give it a try
to goals you have been giving
too many lives you have already given to
now try to live momentum movement as if
there is no future
in the beginning it will be only as if
but by and by you will become aware
that that as if is the only reality
in the beginning it may be just like
soon you will realize that that
acting is the only reality
you have come with a ghost but i won’t
to remain with your goals
He speaks with an accent, so the loud musical accompaniment makes this audio impossible for me to understand. I was not able to find a version on the Web without the music.
Dear David, I am sorry for your difficulties in hearing this amazing recording.
I have added the raw, unedited transcript; it requires some effort to read, but it is priceless.
Maybe you can listen to the humming of his voice and read at the same time?
From my own experience I can say that Mr. Mind tries everything possible to prevent the seeing of the obvious; maybe your hearing difficulties are just psycho-somatic (but that’s not the point of this comment).
Please give it another try, or several more…
like Mooji says: go for Gold, not peanuts!
Thank you for your sincerity of not giving up and your humility of giving up the struggle that seemingly prevented you from embracing with your heart what mind cannot understand.
Everything can become a stumbling block; even sincerity and noble intentions can be hijacked by Mr. Mind.
Thank you David for your openness; it can feel quite humiliating to see that what we always longed for, and tried so hard to reach, IS always here and now, as I am.
I awoke this morning to your public reply to David on nondualsharing.com. I have typed this reply in a separate window and will not send it immediately. I may not send it at all. An energy drain.
“From my own experience I can say that Mr. Mind tries everything possible to prevent the seeing of the obvious; maybe your hearing difficulties are just psycho-somatic (but that’s not the point of this comment).”
What is the point of the comment Holger? Is it to sell this video that you have given meaning to as “priceless”?
Is it to say in a passive-aggressive way that David need not get his hearing checked, it’s all in his head?
Is it to say prescribe your brand of “what works”?
Is it to present an example of classic passive-aggressive rhetoric in saying things like “Thank you for your sincerity of not giving up and your humility of giving up the struggle that seemingly prevented you from embracing with your heart what mind cannot understand.”
That last part, by the way, you have misquoted from the poem “Take Heart, Seeker”. It is “your mind cannot know what your heart has never forgotten.”
This reply is beneath you.
And yet, at the end, you manage to exhibit the spiritual arrogance of a “proclaimer” in saying “it can feel quite humiliating to see that what we always longed for, and tried so hard to reach, IS always here and now, as I am.”
Whom are you speaking to? Enlightened Holger to poor humiliated Holger before enlightenment? Who gets enlightened? Is this a teaching from a realized being I am failing to grasp? If so, I beg of you 1000 pardons.
I’m curious. “Noble intentions” you say? Where are those in this post?
You speak of “humility”? And then end with “Peace”?
In reading this post this morning it is clear to me that this feud you keep throwing fuel on does not show a desire for peace.
Please stop this pointless energy drain and clear dislike for David. Stop the bullying veiled in spiritual jargon. My paraphrased suggestion is to (as you said to David), please read your reply another time, maybe several more, go for gold, not for petty passive-aggressive arguments.
And please remove me from receiving email notifications of these comments.
Thank you Walter for your sharing.
I can relate to David’s hearing issues; I shared my own experience of not always hearing clearly; and for myself (body-mind) I saw a psycho-somatic connection.
I wasn’t thinking about your book when I quoted or misquoted, but I will read your comment again and take it to heart.
Thank you for your comment; why do we meet, what do we share? To see what is really here. What we see in an “another” is our own mind content.
Please stay with it, pretend some openness, don’t run away. “Remove me from the list”… is this the same energy that some weeks ago made you quit Telegram?
This is not a blame, not an expectation.
I really appreciate your sharing; it is priceless to have an opportunity to face our “me” stuff; we all sit in the same boat.
I allow myself to use words, I deeply enjoy this audio from Osho, that’s why I call it priceless.
Thank you Walter for your openness to share, to look at what arises.
Are we so different from each “other”?
Thank for your invitation for me to look below the surface.
Arrogance, confusion, misunderstanding…
On a scale from 0 to 10, how much peace and aggression was in your comment? I welcome it, it is good, it is always a win-win.
I love you and I thank you,
I re-read my comment to David.
I don’t see a double-mindedness in it; but I still take your words to heart. Maybe my arrogance and ignorance are so deeply ingrained that I don’t see them anymore?
Thank you for your forgiveness, your love for truth.
“What seems to be, is, to those to whom it seems to be, and is productive of the most dreadful consequences to those to whom it seems to be, even of torments, despair, eternal death.”
Everything, allowed; nothing, excluded; processing in process; endlessly admired.
“There is a sweetness in all emotions.”
Dear Holger and Walter, I feel moved to reply to your interchange. I will also email this to Walter, since he has unsubscribed to comments.
Whenever individual people communicate, there is the risk of misunderstanding. This is because we all have a web of beliefs (conditioning) that dictate how we say things and what concepts we emphasize, sometimes regardless of context.
However, when two people misunderstand each other and conflict arises from it, this is an indication that further communication is valuable. No, there is no guarantee that there will be a meeting of minds or a resolution of problems. But a bit of peaceful communication is always a positive step.
“Maybe my arrogance and ignorance are so deeply ingrained that I don’t see them anymore?”; “Am I just being fake?” (from today’s meeting)
Holger, you do have a unique way of interacting with people. You tend to write or speak in ways that challenge the mind. This is what Walter calls “passive aggression”. It is an unfortunate tendency, as you do have a profound understanding of nonduality and are often helpful to those in our meeting who feel lost during a period of spiritual confusion.
The problem is not so much with what you are trying to say but with how you are saying it in relation to what is the current context or situation. Simply put, you can’t ask dogmatic questions when the person you are communicating with did not ask for your feedback. That’s just uncivil.
In communicating with others we can appeal to the mind or we can state nondual dogma. For example, gently pointing out to someone how their thoughts and beliefs are constantly changing (as so many teachers do) is a good start to leading the mind toward an understanding of the nature of awareness, our true self. But loudly proclaiming that our behavior doesn’t matter because the world is an illusion is easy to be heard as dogma in service to passive aggression, a mode of expression of the ego.
People don’t improve in their behavior easily when they feel justified in pursuing their current course. Currently, for example, Holger feels justified (based on his own experience) in asking me whether my difficulty in hearing could be psychosomatic. And Walter feels justified (based on his own experience) in calling that question passive-aggressive.
There is a bit of truth in each of these comments. There is also a bit of unrelated reaction based on conditioning in each of these comments. This out-of-proportion reactivity (a sort of imperfection) is to be expected while we are on a spiritual path, that is, not yet at the goal (which is permanent self-realization and freedom in peace and happiness).
All I ask is that we be kind to ourself and tolerant of the other. Let’s try to use this event as another of our life experiences that can teach us something subtle. Seeing this interchange without attachment can help us to be more helpful to each other, to see that we are all in the same boat of spiritual progress.
Let’s not try to force ourselves or another to change. That won’t work. That can keep conflict alive for us, blocking our ability to grow and make progress along our path. Instead, let’s give the practical philosophy of nonduality the time it needs to loosen the hold of the mind so that we can identify with the unchanging field of formless awareness within which and out of which all events, objects, concepts, and meaning of the body, mind, and world are manifested.
Holger this is the third request to have you unsubscribe me from receiving comment updates. I’m not interested in receiving an email every time someone comments here. Please, no more personal emails appealing for me to reconsider, I’d just appreciate you do this. I can read the comments on my own time, at my own leisure. As you may not have considered, I must monitor my phone for work purposes, for responding to emergencies. The less I am interrupted with excess notifications the better. If I could turn these notifications off myself, I would do so. Thank-you.